TIME Mag: Obama is a “Very Rational Sounding Bigot”

Sunday, December 21, 2008

Did the Netroots, along with the LGBT community, just make one of the most colossal mistakes in the history of American politics by electing Barack Obama president?

From TIME Magazine:

Gays and lesbians are angry that Barack Obama has honored Warren, but they shouldn’t be surprised. Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot. He is far too careful and measured a man to say anything about body parts fitting together or marriage being reserved for the nonpedophilic, but all the same, he opposes equality for gay people when it comes to the basic recognition of their relationships. He did throughout his campaign, one that featured appearances by Donnie McClurkin, a Christian entertainer who preaches that homosexuals can become heterosexuals.

I think we’ve been snookered, folks.

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17 Responses to TIME Mag: Obama is a “Very Rational Sounding Bigot”

  1. Bruce says:

    I’m furious at Obama on this one, but I’m not yet going to throw him overboard. (Although I will skip viewing the Inauguration.)

    He has 4 years to back up his claim that he’s a “fierce advocate” for equality for gays and lesbians. He’s going to have to put his money where his mouth is now. Problem is, he says he’s not for “gay marriage.” So not sure how that jives with his words about “equality.”

    We’ll all be holding his feet to the fire. And if it’s not change we can believe in, he won’t get the gay vote in 2012. Personally, I won’t vote Republican, but I won’t vote Obama again unless he comes through for gay civil rights.

  2. Mike Tidmus says:

    He’s a politician; he’s not the Messiah many people made him out to be. His cabinet choices place him much farther right than anyone’s reasonable expectation — given the quasi-liberal rhetoric we’ve listened to for the past year.

    Where are the progressives? Where are the queers?

  3. Leota2 says:

    This is the same writer who thinks Ann Coulter
    is an amazing person. Consider the source?
    Again—watch who the man puts on his cabinet
    and the laws he supports–not what some idiot writes. I’m a whole lot disppointed with whining democrats who refuse to see Obama is a POLITICIAN; not a savior. He’s a man. He always was.
    I’m sick of this.

  4. RealWorldRadical says:

    The scariest part is how many bots seem to be justifying Obama’s actions anyway they can … just read comments over at Kos and see the evolution that has taken place in the last few days. The same folks who thought Obama was “new politics”, “change” etc. have twisted reality until they justify bigotry.

    Sure, there are things that need to be done. I ‘ll even buy arguments that DOMA was the only way to save us from a constitutional amendment which would have been far worse. I KNOW compromises have to be made.

    But not on this one — there were far to many perfectly viable alternatives. There were just slightly concervative ministers who hadn’t actually gone out and compared gays to pedophiles. There were unknowns who had no significant opinion. And of course there were progressives.

    Obama’s crew consciously made this choice when they had plenty of options. This is just another move to push the democratic party backwards. I’m only glad people are starting to see the “movement” for what it is.

  5. There is so much about his choosing Warren that bothers me that I can’t fully articulate it. It put a queasy feeling in my gut.

    I’ve grown tired over the years of having conservatives like Warren and the others who gone before him hijacking Christianity. They are not the only ones whose voices and opinions should define and shape Christianity. How dare they in their arrogance think that they hold the keys to an exclusive club. For the number of scripture conservatives find that are exclusionary there are just as many that are welcoming. John 3:16 for one.

    Hopefully Obama will now be recognized as a politician and not a god, a super hero, or The One.

  6. Aunt Peg says:

    Obama now reminds me of a car salesman.

    He will say just about anything to get you in the car and then in the finance office to sign a contract to buy the car.

    I think after 8 years of Bush/Cheney, none of us wanted to hear the criticisms and doubts expressed about Obama. We needed to believe. But now we see an ugly truth and it came in the person of Rick Warren.

  7. Prairiedog says:

    Shame on us for being naive.

    The American people are the ultimate stewards of our democracy and we didn’t do enough research before we made our choice.

  8. Tiny Dancer says:

    If I had known Obama would pull a stunt like this by inviting Rick Warren to perform the invocation I would have voted for someone else. I am so very angry about this that I have had a headache for the past 3 days. Not that it matters to Obama as his lays on his ass at the beach in Honolulu for the holidays. I can’t believe how insensitive Obama has turned out to be. He’s beginning to remind me of George Bush. As a disabled American, I’m not supposed to have stress. Well, from this day forward, I plan on turning the TV channel when Obama’s face appears. Obama can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

  9. R.J. says:

    I’m not an Obamaholic anymore. Being an independent voter, I’ll pick whomever I please from any political party.

    That’s assuming I vote in ’12, of course.

  10. Bruce says:

    Glad to hear so many of us are not giving in on this one. Rick Warren stinks as a representative of Christianity. And Obama’s pandering to him is so unbelievably political.

    Wonder how the big gay donors like David Geffen feel about this? Can’t imagine he’s too thrilled after all the fundraising he did.

  11. panasit says:

    Obama’s decision to have Rick Warren perform the invocation is slap against the face of the LGBT community, as well as women, feminists and all progressive peoples.

    Perhaps, it might service Obama to be reminded that there was a time within living memory where his parents would have been forbidden to marry by law and with Christian sanction no less. When that racist and bigoted policy was challenged and legally reversed, there was no mention of religion, just the pursuit of happiness.

    The idea of, “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is arguably one of the most famous clauses found in the United States Declaration of Independence and one of the ideas enshrined in the minds of not only Americans but of people all over the planet who look to the USA as a beacon of hope.

    It took the landmark Supreme Court case, Loving vs. Virginia, to strike down an old anti-miscegenation statute, which stated that people of different races could not marry, in Virginia. Apparently, Virginia has never been for lovers, then or now.

    Shame, shame, shame on Barack Obama.

  12. Roger says:

    Oh, good freakin’ lord, people. What has gotten me irritated at the ‘bots who are all atwitter about Warren is this: the so-called liberals who were all about Obama’s calls for change and for dialogue with those with whom we disagree weren’t really listening, were they? In a sense, they’ve been just as reactionary and bigoted as the conservatives they excoriate. Further, they’ve been acting as though no one from the conservative right should be a part of this Inauguration. Again, were we LISTENING to Obama’s victory speech on Election Night? Or were we so happy that we’d won that we thought that those on the Right would be forever silenced, and that Obama would somehow kick ’em all to the curb the way Bush did?

    Before anyone goes apeshit: I think Warren’s dead-wrong on…well, everything. Nevertheless, we on the left have to listen to them. They’re Americans too, no matter how wrong we think they are.

    Frankly, we all need to put our adult underclothes on and get the frak over it. I’m more concerned about Obama’s policies concerning LGBT issues. Further, it’s the damned invocation–do you even remember who did the invocation for Clinton and Bush’s inaugurations? I find it hilariously disingenuous that everyone’s dismissing Obama’s picking Joseph Lowery to do the benediction as though it doesn’t signal or say anything. We can’t have our critical cake and eat it too, folks.

  13. Woodcliffe says:


    You’ve missed the entire point here.

    It’s the idea that this isn’t the first time Obama has draped his arms around an antigay religious figure all in the name of “inclusiveness.” Do you remember Donnie McClurkin? Well, do you?

    It isn’t just Rick Warren’s radical views on gay people but his pro-life opinions that call for a Constitutional amendment to reverse Roe. He also thinks it’s appropriate for U.S. foreign policy to include assassination of political enemies.

    This is who Obama invited to perform the invocation? And to the question of who performed pasted invocations, and do we remember them, well I do. Reagan asked Don Moomaw, who was radically antigay. John McCain said if elected he planned to ask Rev. John Hagee who said gays were the cause of Katrina.

    You might want to do some research into this topic before you defend Obama on this. The fact is, Obama has his head up his ass. He’s wrong.

  14. stradella says:

    Where is it written the invocation must be performed by a priest or minister?

    Why not someone like Maya Angelou? She’s cool, most people like her and she’s pro-gay.

  15. toddyenglish says:

    I was wondering why not Maya Angelou?

    Anyway, I’m gay and I’m not nearly ready to throw Obama under the bus yet. Hell, he ain’t even in office yet.

    This was a colossal fuck up…However, I would have been more worried had he hired someone like Warren to be apart of his presidential cabinet.

    For me I know that all politicians are homophobic…Some moreso than others. Obama was never going to say he was adamantly pro-gay because that would have galvanized the religious right wing and Sarah Palin would have been President.

    I am going to take a wait and see approach.

    However, his choice of Warren was all kinds of fucked up…You might as well have given David Duke an invitation to a memorial service for Martin Luther King Jr.

  16. toddyenglish says:

    “Frankly, we all need to put our adult underclothes on and get the frak over it. I’m more concerned about Obama’s policies concerning LGBT issues. Further, it’s the damned invocation–do you even remember who did the invocation for Clinton and Bush’s inaugurations? I find it hilariously disingenuous that everyone’s dismissing Obama’s picking Joseph Lowery to do the benediction as though it doesn’t signal or say anything. We can’t have our critical cake and eat it too, folks.”

    In total agreement. This is like all the racist bigots already calling for his impeachment. Let him get into office first is all I’m sayin…

  17. Roger says:

    Do you remember Donnie McClurkin? Well, do you?

    I remember Donnie McClurkin quite well, thank you. I didn’t lose my shorts over that, either. Why? Well, I’ll tell you. First, in my life (can’t speak for yours), I’ve been lucky enough to know all sorts of people and some of those people (family, even) hold very different views of the world than I do. The best I can do is engage in conversation with them. I may disagree bitterly with them, but I don’t cut them out of my life or the important events in my life just because they think/vote/act differently than I. If they cut me out, then that’s on them. I’m not saying I’m perfect–hell, it takes a LOT to hear a viewpoint that I find stupid, but the point is to engage in an exchange. What Obama’s doing is modeling a new way of doing things–instead of essentially saying, “I’ve come to power, fuck all y’all who are on the ‘Other Side’,” Obama’s welcoming them to be part of the celebration of a new President.

    “You might want to do some research into this topic before you defend Obama on this.”

    What “research” needs to be done on this topic? If you’re going to throw out that pseudo-intellectual dis, at least attempt to enlighten me as to what specifics I seem to be lacking.

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