President Bill Clinton Asks California Voters to Vote NO on Proposition 8

Saturday, November 1, 2008

In a telephone call to California voters, President Bill Clinton pushed back against the most vehemently homophobic forces of radical Christianity in the telephone message that explained the unfairness of Proposition 8:

“This is Bill Clinton calling to ask you to vote NO on Proposition 8 on Tuesday, November 4th. Proposition 8 would use state law to single out one group of Californians to be treated differently — discriminating against members of our family, our friends and our co-workers.

“If I know one thing about California, I know that is not what you’re about. That is not what America is about. Please vote NO on 8. It’s unfair and it’s wrong. Thank you.”

The calls from President Clinton went to millions of registered California voters overnight. Proposition 8 is being largely bankrolled by the Mormon Church.

Thank you, President Bill Clinton for your support.

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22 Responses to President Bill Clinton Asks California Voters to Vote NO on Proposition 8

  1. JollyRoger says:

    The Jesusistanis know this is their last gasp, perhaps for a long time. They’re going for broke. Hopefully, Californians will stop the Jesusistan scum dead in their tracks.

  2. Conejo1982 says:

    As a Californian, I am outraged to see the Mormons flood this state with their diseased money to help enshrined what amounts to discrimination against gay and lesbian couples who reside in this state.

    The Mormons and as well as every other member of an organized religion who seek to use their tax exempt status to undermine the rights of Americans should be strung up on a pole and beaten with a bamboo stick.

  3. Laurie says:

    “. . . strung up on a pole and beaten with a bamboo stick” — Gee, in the early days of the Mormon church, the Prophet Joseph Smith was tarred & feathered, and eventually murdered by a mob while he sat in jail on trumped up charges. Makes one wonder if you ConeJo1982 would have supported those actions. I’d like to show a whole side of Proposition 8 that isn’t being discussed. Having raised four children, I’ve been amazed at how increasingly difficult it was from the first child to the last. I only had to teach my older children that drugs were bad, and that sex prior to marriage was unacceptable. By the time I was raising the last child, I was calming her fears about standing up for what is right and moral. I had to send her to high school in fear of her own safety if she spoke on “the day of silence”. I had to explain to her that while we love those friends and family members who have chosen a different lifestyle, we still have to stand up for what is moral. If a family member embezzled funds, or robbed a bank, we would still love them, but we would not condone the action. It’s still okay to love them — but not the sin. I’ve had to teach my youngest child that even though people are bent on persecuting her for her beliefs, that God will protect those who stand up for what is right. While some would say that Prop 8 is bent on discriminating, I would put forth that some of us have been discriminated against for quite some time now and suffered in silence. Just another way of looking at things, folks.

  4. Jeannie says:

    What frightens me is how close the polls are for this proposition. I am terrified to hear that a large percentage of the people in my home state are eager to take away a basic right and freedom from their fellow citizens.

    Vote No On Prop 8

  5. panasit says:

    In the United States of America today, churches and religious groups are treated with enormous deference by politicians and the media — a deference they have not earned.

    The involvement of the Mormon Church in funding the California’s Proposition 8 is proof that modern, organized religion has abused this special treatment and it must end.

    Far too often, the government and society in general bends over backwards to accommodate and encourage religious beliefs even when there is no rational reason why they should do so. The most egregious example of this is the sweeping tax exemptions granted to religion.

    It is not just one tax that religious organizations are excused from paying, but an entire constellation of them. Clergy are exempt from Federal taxes on housing and can opt out of Social Security and Medicare withholding. Religious employers are generally exempt from federal and state unemployment taxes, and in some states, religious publications are exempt from sales tax. Church benefit and retirement plans do not require the church employer to match its employees’ contributions.

    Churches are automatically exempted from filing annual public informational reports on their financial status and activities, and donations made to churches are eligible for income tax deductions. And, of course, the two major tax breaks: church groups do not have to pay income tax and do not have to pay taxes on property which they own.

    It is time to end this unfair and unjustifiable special treatment. Religion has done nothing to deserve it.

  6. Estacada says:

    How about that?

    The Clenis doing something right and just for a change as opposed to screwing up as he did during the primary?

    Prop 8 is a terrible affront to decency and it should not be approved by Californians.

  7. Joe in Colorado says:

    Laurie – People don’t choose to be gay or lesbian. If you teach your children this, you will guarantee your brood will grow up to be as uninformed and ignorant as you. This is not responsible parenting and you really need to ask yourself why you want to raise stupid children.

  8. Ypsilanti says:

    Laurie,

    Your hypocrisy is stunning but not unique.

    Like many who self-identify as Christians, you wrap your judgment of those who are different from you in the doublespeak that is deliberately constructed for political purposes.

    The gay community is not asking for special rights — they have only ever asked for equality. When it comes to marriage, no fair minded person wants separate, but equal, and equality in no way infringes on your rights. Fifty years ago, when much of the nation frowned upon mixed marriages between whites and black, many of the most vocal critics cited Biblical justification to deny two, loving persons of different ethnicities the right to enter into marriage. Were you one of those Christian critics?

    In fact, Laurie, the Mormon Church, until just recently, refused to elevate African Americans to the highest ranks of the church. It wasn’t until the threat of a lawsuit (isn’t money the thing that always informs Christianity?) that your church leader had a “revelation” allowing black people the right to become church leaders.

  9. Fran says:

    Oregon State has had an on & off again same sex marriage battle. We’ve had out-of-state court challenges, injunctions, and issues.

    At one point, one county continued to do same sex marriages, until the Court ordered them to stop, so at that point the county decided to stop issuing ANY marriage licenses for anybody, because of the same sex marriage discrimination.

    The Oregon Supreme Court then ruled against same sex marriages, and declared null & void the 500+ same sex marriages they had issued.

    An anti gay marriage ballot measure passed in Nov 2004 (remember the Ntl distraction of that issue in the ’04 election?) 57% to 43 %.

    The court refused to hear the Equal Privileges clause of the Oregon Constitution.

    In 2005, Oregon state senators passed a bill creating legal recognition for same-sex couples & it died in committee.

    In early 2007, a bill was introduced that adopted the term “domestic partnership”.
    This bill passed both houses of the legislature and was signed into law on May 9, 2007 to take effect January 1, 2008.
    However a court challenge delayed its implementation until it could be resolved on February 1, 2008, and went into effect that day with registrations set to begin on February 4, 2008.

    Even the final court challenge was from people *outside* the State, and was not even about the measure itself, but how signatures were collected.

    Recognized domestic partnership protections & laws are better than nothing, but it is NOT equal rights. I find it hard to believe this is not already resolved in the 21st century.

    There are a bunch of other states voting on this issue as well, in Tuesdays election.

    I hope California & all the other states can soundly defeat these discriminatory measures.

    Equal rights!

  10. I’m a registered voter in CA, I didn’t get the cawl. Geez Louise. No mind. I am voting no. It’s blatant discrimination, period and unconstitutional.

  11. Arizona Leatherneck says:

    These church goers sure as hell have a lot of free time and energy?

    Instead of trying to stomp down the gays, why not use some of this time and energy to actually do good work? Like feed the poor and the disabled? Drive elderly folks to the doctor?

    But no, that wouldn’t be Christian behavior. What a bunch of hypocritical asswipes.

  12. Big Hank says:

    Aren’t the Mormons the ones who “officially” denounce polygamy but there are “unofficially” thousands of Mormons living polygamous lifestyles under the radar of the church elders?

    Let’s not forget that freaky shit than just went down in Texas where the state and the Feds bust a cult of Mormon polygamists where middle aged men were “married” to 12 year old girls and knocking them up.

    Instead of engaging in discrimination against gay and lesbian Californians, looks to me like the Mormons need to clean up their own house which is a damned mess.

  13. Rachel says:

    Big Hank – Yes, it’s those Mormons and their dirty, illegal legacy of preaching against polygamy out of one side of their mouth while quietly supporting these freaks with 20 and 30 kids per father out of the other side of their mouth. I remember attending a conference in Salt Lake City in 1999 and everywhere we went downtown, we were bombarded by zealots carrying pamphlets that cried out about the “evils of homosexuality.” I was appalled and couldn’t wait to get the hell out of Utah. It’s a scary place.

  14. JollyRoger says:

    Laurie,

    With all due respect (as in, NONE,) your premise is a familiar one-that of the “persecuted Christian,” and it’s bullshit. The freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States is exactly that-YOUR freedom to worship as you please. This does NOT mean that you are free to try to jam your Jesusistani tomes of hatred down my throat, it does not give you the right to go into school buildings and preach hatreds, and it most assuredly does not, as you would like, give you and your kind a right to govern how I will live my life.

    Christ said that the sins of men will be settled up when it comes time to die. Nowhere did Christ appoint you, or any of your Jesusistani brethren, as morality enforcement agents. Many of us, myself included, have severe problems with the way in which the LDS church has conducted itself, in the past AND the present. You wouldn’t want me in charge of writing laws for you, and I sure as hell don’t want you in charge of writing laws for me. Let’s stick to the Constitutional principles that this country was founded on, shall we?

  15. Nan Yun says:

    I am a Buddhist.

    I do not proselytize and when asked about Buddhism, I direct people to their local library.

    One thing I do not understand well about Christians is the tendency by many to use their faith as a way to cut down and destroy those they disagree with, like gay people.

    Why don’t these same Christians pray for peace, or to end poverty, or cures for disease? Are their hearts so empty? This is sad.

  16. Brigadoon says:

    Nan Yun – The simple reason is, most Christians are assholes and their hearts are full alright but full of hate.

  17. Bill Perdue says:

    The bigotry of the Obama and McCain tickets about same sex marriage is the one single factor that hurts us the most in California, Arizona and Florida, the three states where anti-GLBT initiatives are on the ballot.

    From day one McCain and Obama have relentlessly competed to win the trophy for pandering to bigots using on the question of same sex marriage. The polls say that Obama won that race. His tedious petition of his prejudices about same sex marriage is a green light to bigots to vote against us. When Obama attacked same sex marriage using the phrase “god’s in the mix” he that same sex marriage is a sin and secondly that the clueless bigotry of the christians is sanctioned from “On High”. Let’s have a big down home hallelujah for Brother Obama… the bigot.

    And his supine apologists, who’ve believe anything, accept anything and defend anything he does, over and over, are getting just a little tedious, to say nothing of pathetic.

    The right wing and the christist bigot are so enthused by Obama’s bigotry that they’re running ads quoting him against us. That makes sense because Obama constantly says that same sex marriage is a sin, and that civil unions, which cements our second class status, are all we deserve. And like George Wallace, another bigoted Democrat and enemy of civil rights in a previous struggle, Obama is quite content to let states, using the discredited ‘state’s rights’ dogma, which had it origins in the slavocracys demand to be allowed to extend slavery, to be his guide and allow state DOMAs to mistreat us.

    With Democrats like that who needs Republicans?

    Don’t get caught voting for bigots. Vote against McCain and the other Republican bigots. Vote against Obama and the other Democrat bigots. If the union led Labor Party gets on the ballot despite the roadblocks placed by the Democrat party then vote for them, or for any socialist or communist candidates or write some one in or just skip it like millions of disgusted working people do every four years.

    WHATEVER YOU DO, IF YOU LIVE IN ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA OR FLORIDA VOTE AGAINST THE BIGOT BALLOT ITITIATIVES.

  18. Bill Perdue says:

    Laurie, your way of looking at things is called superstition by some and bigotry by others. Both terms are correct.

    Some day people like you will be caringly treated with obligatory doses of anti-psychotics and taught to examine your delusions in group therapy.

    For now we have to endure superstition and bigotry. But not willingly, not without a fight and not forever.

  19. Laurie says:

    It’s so interesting how these discussions deteriorate with name calling because one is sitting behind a computer screen. I have two gay family members, as well as many gay friends — who all understand why I support Prop. 8. You can love someone without supporting their lifestyle. My suggestion for intelligent discussion is to stick to the issues instead of calling people bigots from behind the safety of a computer screen. I will sign off before the election tomorrow with this thought: I agree to disagree. I would defend your right to your opinion with my life — and I’ll exercise mine at the polls. If Prop. 8 wins, I’m happy — if it loses, I exercised my right to stand up for my beliefs — inspite of persecution and name calling. I have conducted myself with dignity, and I have loved my neighbors regardless of differences of opinions. See you at the polls.

  20. Matteo says:

    Religious loons and Pro-Prop 8 Homophones Equate Gay Marriage with Nazi Germany

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-9459.html

    Talk about name calling.

    It is already the most expensive social issue ballot in US history, with more than $65m donated to both sides of the gay marriage debate.

    With just days to go until Californians vote on Proposition 8, the tactics of one of its proponents has been criticised for likening the situation to Germany in the 1930s.

    Proposition 8 would amend the state Constitution to “eliminate right of same-sex couples to marry.”

    In May the California Supreme Court voted 4 to 3 to strike down the ban, ruling that lesbian and gay couples are entitled to the same fundamental right to marry as heterosexual couples as protected by the California constitution.

    Brad Dacus of the conservative Pacific Justice Institute stood on the steps of the state Capitol in Sacramento this week and said:

    “There was another time in history when people, when the bell tolled. And the question was whether or not they were going to hear it.

    “The time was during Nazi Germany with Adolf Hitler. You see he brought crowds of clergy together to assure them that he was going to look after the church.

    “And one of the members, bold and courageous, Reverend Niemoller made his way to the front and … said, ‘Hitler, we are not concerned about the church. Jesus Christ will take care of the church. We are concerned about the soul of Germany.’

    “Embarrassed and chagrined, his peers quickly shuffled him to the back.

    “And as they did Adolf Hitler said, ‘The soul of Germany, you can leave that to me.’ And they did, and because they did bombs did not only fall upon the nation of Germany, but also upon the church and their testimony to this very day.

    “Let us not make that mistake folks. Let us hear the bell! Vote on Proposition 8!”

    The Anti-Defamation league expressed outrage at Mr Dacus’ words.

  21. O. Kassabian says:

    It’s so interesting how until the 1960’s the Mormon Church believed black people to be a spiritually inferior race that was destined to go to hell. The roots of racism, sexism and yes, homophobia, run very deep in the Mormon Church, so it shouldn’t be a surprise to see they raised $64 million in donor money to help pass a bill that makes gay Americans third rate citizens. These are very scary people.

  22. names4things says:

    I don’t get it. Hecklerosexuals are shit.

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