My Comment on Saddleback

Sunday, August 17, 2008

We need to get the ree-lig-un out of politics or the good, ole’ US of A is at risk for going the way of Afghanistan and Iran.

The separation of church and state, the last time I checked was still enshrined and both McCain and Obama deserve a swift kick in the ass for shamelessly fellating Rick Warren and the religious right this way.

Personally, I would be a whole lot happier never knowing the religion of my president.

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26 Responses to My Comment on Saddleback

  1. Kurt says:

    I agree with you, the problem is, these morons all vote. Guaranteed – they will all be there on November 4. I am pissed that Barack did so poorly last night.
    I think we may have just lost the election.

  2. Christopher says:

    Kurt,

    I didn’t watch so I have no firsthand knowledge.

    But I am disturbed that Obama (I don’t care what McCain does) felt the need to crawl before another leader of the Christian Conservative movement to prove he worships Christ and not Allah.

    My vision, albeit quaint, is a USA that enshrines the separation of church and state and frankly, I would be a whole lot happier never knowing the religion of my president.

  3. RainBro says:

    I couldn’t agree more, Chris.

    I have to admit – I got some strange images from your “fellating” statement. (e-u) 😉

    Peace,
    =RD=

  4. TOM339 says:

    There’s an endless number of religious leaders in America the two of them can still meet with to prove their worthiness.

    Let’s see:

    Pat Robertson
    Ron Paisley
    Joyce Meyer
    John Hagee
    Fred Phelps
    Robert Grant

    In fact, since both McCain and Obama enjoy discussing their belief in Christ, they could make this a weekly event.

  5. Matteo says:

    Here’s what Americans United for the Separation of Church and State had to say about this meeting.

    http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr011=g4xvljexc4.app7b&abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=10005&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241

    Voters have heard quite enough about the religious views of Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama and don’t need another forum on the presidential candidates and faith, says Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    The church-state watchdog group criticized both candidates’ decision to take part in the Rev. Rick Warren’s “Saddleback Civil Forum” this Saturday at his mega-church in Lake Forest, Calif. McCain and Obama will each submit to hour-long questioning by the church pastor.

    “Campaign 2008 is starting to feel like a Sunday school Bible drill,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “We’re electing a president, not a national pastor. I don’t see what good it will do for the American people to again hear the candidates spout pious platitudes about their favorite Bible verses or how devout they are.

    “Candidates should appeal to the voters based on their qualifications for office and their stands on the issues, not their religious beliefs,” Lynn said. “This event continues the campaign spiral into religious matters. Americans want to hear the candidates’ views on important issues such as constitutional rights, public education, the Iraq War and the economy.”

  6. Rachel says:

    If Barack Obama makes an appearance before one more fundamentalist group to spout his belief in God, I will not vote him and I will sit out the 2008 presidential election. I’ve heard more about faith this year and less about issues than in any previous election. Enough is enough. Do it again, Obama and you will lose my support.

  7. emcee says:

    These evangelicals aren’t going to come out to vote for Obama in November even if he starts wearing a top hat and sings Sinatra.

    The evangelicals are and will always be, Republicans and they will vote for McCain. It’s a given.

  8. Aunt Peg says:

    I grew up in a world where a person’s religious beliefs or lack of religious beliefs were private.

    How have we evolved to this point where everyone is running around with a Bible in one hand and a cross in the other hand, screaming at the top of their lungs who is the better Christian?

    Shut up, already. Shut the hell up.

  9. stradella says:

    Oh Barack. What am I going to do with you?

    These rich, white folk from Orange County ain’t gonna’ be voting for you no matter how fast you dance. They don’t like black people — even the good ones with a college education, a beautiful wife, two adorable children and a house in the suburbs.

    Stop wasting your time trying to pass. It ain’t happening.

  10. Woodcliffe says:

    Long before there was a candidate Obama, many in the progressive left wanted Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) to toss his hat into the ring.

    Feingold had it all: attractive, smart, voted against the Iraq war, open to impeaching Bush, and a fearless and unapologetic critic of the administration.

    So why did Feingold say “no?” Simple. He’s a Jew.

    Feingold is smart enough to know that in America in 2008, at least 30% of the electorate will never cast their vote for a Jewish candidate. It’s no wonder Obama keeps returning to the mount to profess his faith and belief in Christ.

  11. Harry says:

    Can we put the Bible away now and start to focus on poverty, ending the Iraq war, funding the NIH and paying down Bush’s deficit?

  12. DMason says:

    I saw about 10 minutes of this revival act on my computer and I had to turn it off. It seems to me that McCain is working real hard at becoming Reagan redux. He gives heavily cliched, perfectly-crafted responses that have clearly been focus group tried and approved. Will it sell? It might. If he’s elected the 44th president, I’m moving to Spain during his time in office.

  13. Scott Dancer says:

    I appreciated Barack Obama’s thoughtful and intelligent answers to Warren’s canned and dull questions.

    However, like many seem to be getting at, I find it troubling that both candidates felt the need to go before a best selling, arena preacher and proclaim their faith and explain their views on the usual social issues.

    Apparently, we as a nation haven’t moved beyond 2004 or 2000. In other words, been there, done that. Nothing new and to be honest, I don’t care.

  14. Jim says:

    Amen to that!!!
    The prospect of watching the two PRESIDENTIAL candidates being grilled by Rick Waren, this year’s mega-religious figure was, a definite turnoff and more than a little frightening. Separation of church and state–it’s a GOOD thing.

  15. Dick Small says:

    Wasn’t it convenient that George Bush professed to be a Christian, and said he loved Jesus.
    Until he was elected to his first term and got the job.

  16. Rastamick61 says:

    The way our corporate media favors a tight race, refuses to cover a bloody and costly war and is in bed withe defense contractors at every commercial it seems to make perfect sense to trot out a televangelist and put him in a position to anoint one candidate and feed the other to the lions. The problem we have is thinking we still have some say in this process.

  17. libhomo says:

    I agree with you about state/church separation. As a gay man, I also strongly object to any politician appearing at Osama bin Warren’s House of Hate.

    CNN should be ashamed of broadcasting this illegitimate and unAmerican forum.

  18. WHEN THE HELL WILL SEN.OBAMA TELL THE TRUTH AND TELL THEM THAT AMERICA IS RACIST , HOMOPHOBIC , AND MISOGYNIST.I not shouting at you I’m shouting at the fools that want to give Herr Bush a third try at the presidency.I swear it seems like we’re living in Pink Floyd’s the Wall musical.

  19. Mauigirl says:

    I agree – let’s get back to not knowing the religion of our presidents. I mean, does anyone remember what religion Lyndon Johnson was? I don’t. And that was a good thing.

    But I guess Obama feels he has to promulgate the idea that he is a Christian, not a Muslim, to the American people (not that there would be anything wrong with that if he were – wish he would emphasize that more often).

  20. Walk on Socks says:

    OK, is everyone happy now?

    Obama and McCave have submitted to a public flogging wrapped up in sweetness and spice and, oh yeah, what about:

    1. ending the Iraq war
    2. the 48 million uninsured
    3. poverty
    4. the debt
    5. national security
    6. veterans care
    7., 8., 9., 10.,………………………

    This religion shit is a distraction and a waste of time.

  21. Bruce says:

    Thank you for posting this. The pandering to these “Christians” is sickening. They want to rule our government and try to tell everyone what to believe and what to do. I was so disgusted by Obama even participating in this. It’s time we stopped giving these fanatics the time of day.

  22. R.J. says:

    I thought this was a waste of time, and Obama didn’t need to profess his Christianity to a group of people who will never vote for him unless they hold McCain accountable for his adultery.

  23. Dave Dubya says:

    And so the new American Inquisition slowly devours our democracy.

  24. Kurt says:

    Sorry, Dave. But the fact is that your boy Johnny was cheating on his first wife Carol, with Cindy. Your boy Johnny was also one of the Keating Five, remember?
    If you think letting the American people know what wrongs you’ve done is an “Inquisition”, why don’t you go hide in the closet with Pat Buchanan, Karl Rove and the rest of your heroes.
    McCain is a crook, a liar, an adulterer, and those are just the things that we know for sure, what else might he be hiding? Yet, you Chosen People of God can do no wrong, can you…

  25. rastamick61 says:

    wow, did that guy actually try to imply that looking into mcsame’s closet fulla skeletons is some kind of inquisition that will devour our democracy ? does this imply that there’s anything left of our democracy after w. and co. have had it bent over gasping for air since his coronation by the supreme court in 2000 ? the war on drugs must not have had enough of a budget to get to dave’s town as he’s obviously baked on some strong shit

  26. Bill Perdue, RainbowRED says:

    Democrats have a good chance of sweeping the elections because they worked hard and won back the title of “Best Panderer of the 2008 Election Season’ from the Republicans who’ve held it since Clinton’s bigotry dominated politics. They’ve managed a historic turnaround and now Obama has a 43% to 34% in the jesus jumper crowd.

    A quick glance at Sunday’s LA Times shows how it’s done. The Times reports that both candidates were at a forum in Lake Forest CA, in deepest, palest Orange County. At a ‘debate’ hosted by a jumper cult Obama and McCain debated same sex marriage, except as it turns out it still pigheadedly oppose our right to marry.

    As the event wore on both candidates contracted feverish cases of the ‘holier than thou’s’. But it was when Obama said he was “walking humbly with our God…I know that I don’t walk alone, and I know that if I can get myself out of the way that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends” that people actually began looking around for a burning bush. That’s why Obama leads McCain among christist voters 43% to 34%, according to the Barna Poll, a christist polling outfit.

    Praise the Lord! Hallelujah, etc.!

    According to the Times, “Though the candidates came down on opposite sides of the California initiative that would ban gay marriage, both stressed that they opposed same-sex marriage. Obama’s so rightwing that a whole litter of Tory MP’s endorsed him. How embarrassing for him. Obama called marriage “a sacred union,” drawing applause when he added, “God is in the mix.”

    More Hallelujahs! With jumping up and down! And clapping! And lots of and praise jesusing! And speaking in tongues!

    I had a Welsh bf for a year or so and if’d he’d seen this his comment would be ‘vomit making’.

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