Gun Nuts Rampage in Alabama and Germany

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

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People familiar with my Blog and my values know I am not a fan of guns and firearms. Here’s two more examples why.

A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black opened fire at his former high school in southwestern German town of Winnenden today, killing at least 15 people before police shot him to death, according to state officials. Nine students and three teachers were among the dead, State Interior Minister Heribert Rech said. It was Germany’s worst shooting since another teenage gunman killed 16 people and himself in another high school in 2002.

Closer to home.

A gunman went on a rampage across two southern Alabama counties Tuesday, killing at least nine people and burning down his mother’s house before shooting himself to death, authorities said. The victims included family members and apparent strangers. Police were investigating shootings in four locations in three communities near the Florida border, all of which were thought to be the work of a single gunman named Michael McLendon. The bloodshed began when McLendon burned down the house in Kinston where he lived with his mother, Lisa McLendon, said Coffee County Coroner Robert Preachers. Officials saw Lisa McLendon’s body inside but couldn’t get into the still-burning structure to determine the cause of death or whether she was her son’s 10th victim.

But I know: guns don’t kill people, people do. Just ask the NRA.

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14 Responses to Gun Nuts Rampage in Alabama and Germany

  1. VicoDANIEL says:

    Two more reasons why I’m looking forward to 2010 and voting my senator, Kristin Gillibrand out of office.

    Her ties to the NRA and gun lobby have no business in New York state.

    vicodaniel1987@yahoo.com

  2. MacDaddy says:

    Guns and people kill people. A small number of poor whites are joining white racist groups. But others aren’t joining anything. They’ve become disillusioned by a Republican party that they are increasingly beginning to see has used them to get in power but never really helped them. And they are too racist to accept President Obama and his aggressive, relatively progressive agenda. In other words, from their point of view, they have no place to go.

    Don’t be surprised if you read more stories about poor, fed up white males going ballistic, killing their families (whom they can no longer financially support) and turning the gun on themselves as cops are bursting down the door.

  3. TOM339 says:

    The problem is, there are now more guns in the US than people and their ease of availability to people unstable, has never been easier.

    Bill Clinton, tried to slow this down but his efforts were undermined by Bush, who is an wholly-owned subsidiary of the NRA and its lobby.

    In Virginia, pawn shops still sell guns and rifles and even AK-47′s can be bought on any given Sunday at flea markets doing business on the side of the road.

  4. BradFrmPhnx says:

    I respect everyone opinion on this thread. And while I weigh in a little for the “other side”, I hope that my opinion will be respected as well.

    First of all we have a right to bear arms. That will never be taken away, so people will always have guns.

    We can get an accurate account of how many people are killed by guns each year. But do we know how many are saved by guns each year. They call it “Defensive Gun Usage”, or DGU’s. Estimates for the year 2004 range from 108,000 to 4.7 million. A very good article, that I recommend reading comes from “The Strait Dope” and it gives some interesting facts in this area. Here is the url…

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2769/we-know-how-many-people-die-annually-from-gunfire-how-many-are-saved-by-defensive-firearms-use

    Also here are some interesting Death Statistics from 2004.

    Percentage breakdown by US gun deaths in 2004, by type:

    * 16,750 suicides (56% of all U.S. gun deaths)
    * 11,624 homicides (40%)
    * 649 unintentional shootings, 311 from legal intervention and 235 from undetermined intent (4%).
    It is interesting that there were more suicides than homocides. Chilling but interesting.

    From the “United Justice” website I found these death statistics…

    Killed in car accidents 42,116*
    Killed by the common flu 20,000*
    Killed by murders 15,517*
    Killed in airline crashes
    (of 477m passenger trips) 120 (1)
    Killed by lightning strikes 90*

    Killed by Anthrax 5

    (1) Annual average over 19 year period.
    *Average annual totals in United States

    This is interesting in that it points out more people are killed from the flu each year than from guns.

    Then there is the old saying that if you take away a person’s gun, then only the criminals will have guns. I think that is a good arguement.

    Certainly some gun control seems necessary. I don’t see a need for assault type weapons or armor piercing bullets. But that is a slippery slope when it comes to your civil rights. And I don’t have to tell this crowd what its like to not have equal civil rights. When it comes to guns, there are a lot of things more dangerous to us as a society than owning a gun.

    Well, I’ve had my say. I await your rebuttals.

  5. toujoursdan says:

    First of all we have a right to bear arms. That will never be taken away, so people will always have guns.

    Why not? The Congress and states can always pass an amendment that repeals the second amendment if the political will is there.

  6. toujoursdan says:

    This is interesting in that it points out more people are killed from the flu each year than from guns.

    And your second point doesn’t make any sense. Certainly more people die from gun violence than bridge collapses, but that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t inspect bridges. Just because people die of other causes more often doesn’t mean society shouldn’t do what it can to rid itself of this cause.

    Then there is the old saying that if you take away a person’s gun, then only the criminals will have guns. I think that is a good arguement.

    No. If you take away everyone’s guns then no one will have them, eventually.

    And slippery slope arguments are a logical fallacy. There are many countries which give their citizens similar civil rights as the U.S. but ban gun ownership.

  7. toujoursdan says:

    (And believe me, if the U.S. government wanted to take away your civil rights, owning a gun isn’t going to stop them. A citizen militia isn’t going to stop the U.S. military with its weapondry. You’d lose your civil right and be dead.)

  8. Estacada says:

    Towns, cities and states restrict and even ban firearms all the time. The Second Amendment be damned.

    Look at New York City. After decades of police being outgunned by the criminals, gun ownership was banned and the incidents of police being shot by criminals with guns dropped.

    It’s so curious to me. Gun aficionados, AKA, Second Amendment freaks, are usually the same people who screech, let states decide on issues like banning gay marriage but when states rights impact their beloved guns, suddenly they want to hide behind the Constitution.

  9. Teen LaQueeffa says:

    I hate guns too, Christopher.

    I even live in an area where I would be justified to carry one but I refuse to be part of the problem. All these guns on the street and destroying the fabric of our nation.

  10. BradFrmPhnx says:

    Some good points so far. And just because it kind of came up…

    Just want to point out that I am for gay rights. You should be able to get married, have children, teach in schools, ect., ect. I always have felt that way. (And I have always detested Anita Bryant.) I don’t say any of that in order to gain favor, only so you know where I stand. Being pro-gun doesn’t make me against gays.

    Secondly, I don’t own a gun. Just don’t see the need. But I don’t want to take someone elses right away either.

    And so far, I have to say, I haven’t seen a good arguement that would change my mind. I pointed out that a lot of things kill us. Cars, the flu, drowning…but we don’t see a need to take the privelage of driving away from anybody. We can’t control the flu. And accidents will happen. The arguement that why can’t we take away the second amendment rights seems kind of lame when you are argueing for gay marriage rights. Should we flip a coin to see who gets what rights?

    With my final point I would say that if nobody had guns, neither criminals nor civilians, then the deaths from knives and bows and arrows would probably increase dramatically. Taking away guns, will not stop murder.

    Again, I respect everyone’s opinion and I’ll withdraw from the debate for now. Thanks for your responses.

  11. lea-lea says:

    I dated this guy a few years ago. I met him him at work and he seemed OK. Smart, clean, respectful and good teeth.

    Anyway, I think it was on the forth date, I learned he was all into firearms. He owned this handgun and went shooting at some club. He wanted me to go with him but I refused to go. After this revelation I was completely put off.

  12. First practical step to getting control of an out of control gun situation. Make all current calibers of ammunition illegal. That would make all current guns obsolete almost over night. Then allow new calibers of ammunition for sport weapons and weapons for home defense. For such purposes weapons with only a 2 shot capabilty such as a double barrel shot gun are adequate. Any hunter who can not kill a duck, or deer, or boar with 2 shots is not really a hunter now is she? As for home defense I do not believe there is any criminal who will risk a shootout with a homeowner in that persons house when the home owner is armed with a double barreled 17 gauge shot gun even if the criminal has an Uzi.
    Now although people still argue whether or not private citizens have a right to have weapons in their home it has been clearly legally established that the government has a right to say what types of weapons they can have. Such restrictions make sense as well.

  13. Vigilante says:

    Teen LaQueeffa says,

    All these guns on the street and destroying the fabric of our nation.

    Ditto, ditto, ditto. “Concealed carry” is the issue. Loaded guns in cars, on the person, in the parks. There’s the danger to the community. People want to feel more secure in their homes or place of business. But the streets and parks belong to everyone. If every other driver is armed, one out of every fender-bender will become manslaughter.

  14. The Congress and states can always pass an amendment that repeals the second amendment if the political will is there.
    They can do the same with the thirteenth amendments.

    Of course, many people who want the second repealed also want the thirteenth repealed.
    Loaded guns in cars, on the person, in the parks. There’s the danger to the community.
    This is certainly the case when it comes to loaded guns in police cars.
    Make all current calibers of ammunition illegal.
    And so the gangbangers will simply turn over their remaining ammunition, instead of smuggling in and selling ammunition.

    Furthermore, how do you intend to stop people from making their own ammunition?

    Towns, cities and states restrict and even ban firearms all the time. The Second Amendment be damned.

    Look at New York City. After decades of police being outgunned by the criminals, gun ownership was banned and the incidents of police being shot by criminals with guns dropped.

    It’s so curious to me. Gun aficionados, AKA, Second Amendment freaks, are usually the same people who screech, let states decide on issues like banning gay marriage but when states rights impact their beloved guns, suddenly they want to hide behind the Constitution.

    There is no gay marriage amendment in the U.S. Constitution; there is the Second Amendment.
    Towns, cities and states restrict and even ban firearms all the time.
    They used to segregate schools on the basis of race, despite the fourteenth amendment.
    If you take away everyone’s guns then no one will have them, eventually.
    So who is going to take away everyone’s guns?

    Santa Claus?

    The Easter Bunny?

    Ctuhulu?

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